Serial: Our reading list behind season 4

These are the books that influenced our understanding of Guantánamo. 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We will spare you a list of our favorite government reports and court filings, but here are some of the books that influenced our thinking and understanding of Guantánamo: By [Dana Chivvis](~/AAAAAQA~/RgRoKms0P0S7aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubnl0aW1lcy5jb20vYnkvZGFuYS1jaGl2dmlzP2NhbXBhaWduX2lkPTI5MyZlbWM9ZWRpdF9zZV8yMDI0MDUxNyZpbnN0YW5jZV9pZD0xMjM3MzAmbmw9c2VyaWFsJnJlZ2lfaWQ9MjA4NDEwNTg5JnNlZ21lbnRfaWQ9MTY3MDE2JnRlPTEmdXNlcl9pZD0zYTUwN2ZmNWZmMzc1YmEzY2FlOTIxZDM1MzEzYjdjZFcDbnl0QgpmRTTmR2YfuDoTUht0cmlzdHJhbWJhbGR3aW44OEBnbWFpbC5jb21YBAAAAAM~) Co-Host ADVERTISEMENT [Ad](~/AAAAAQA~/RgRoKms0P0SeaHR0cHM6Ly9saXZlaW50ZW50Lm5ld3lvcmt0aW1lc2luZm8uY29tL2NsaWNrP3M9OTE2NjgwJmxpPVNFJm09M2E1MDdmZjVmZjM3NWJhM2NhZTkyMWQzNTMxM2I3Y2QmcD1TRV8yMDI0MDUxNyZzdHBlPWRlZmF1bHQmdGU9MSZubD1zZXJpYWwmZW1jPWVkaXRfc2VfMjAyNDA1MTdXA255dEIKZkU05kdmH7g6E1IbdHJpc3RyYW1iYWxkd2luODhAZ21haWwuY29tWAQAAAAD) [Ad](~/AAAAAQA~/RgRoKms0P0SeaHR0cHM6Ly9saXZlaW50ZW50Lm5ld3lvcmt0aW1lc2luZm8uY29tL2NsaWNrP3M9OTE2NjgwJmxpPVNFJm09M2E1MDdmZjVmZjM3NWJhM2NhZTkyMWQzNTMxM2I3Y2QmcD1TRV8yMDI0MDUxNyZzdHBlPWRlZmF1bHQmdGU9MSZubD1zZXJpYWwmZW1jPWVkaXRfc2VfMjAyNDA1MTdXA255dEIKZkU05kdmH7g6E1IbdHJpc3RyYW1iYWxkd2luODhAZ21haWwuY29tWAQAAAAD) “Five Years of My Life: An Innocent Man in Guantánamo,” by Murat Kurnaz I read several memoirs written by former Guantánamo detainees. Murat’s was probably my favorite. (No offense to everyone else! They were all riveting, and gutting.) Murat was held at Camp X-Ray, the first, makeshift prison at Gitmo, which resembled an outdoor dog kennel more than anything else. His memoir takes you inside that place and the subsequent cell blocks at Gitmo, but with a surprising sense of humor. (You hear from Murat in Episodes 1 and 5 — he’s the prisoner who bench-pressed other prisoners to stay fit. “There wasn’t any weights,” he explained to me. “That was the only way.”) “A Human Being Died That Night: A South African Woman Confronts the Legacy of Apartheid,” by Pumla Gobodo-Madikizela Pumla Gobodo-Madikizela is a South African psychologist and academic who served on the Truth and Reconciliation Commission established by South Africa’s post-apartheid government. The book is about Gobodo-Madikizela’s interviews with Eugene de Kock, once the head of an apartheid government death squad. At the time of the interviews, de Kock was serving multiple life sentences. Gobodo-Madikizela’s insights into evil, forgiveness, remorse — her insights into humanity, really — were helpful to me as I worked on episode 8, the story about Majid Khan. It’s a treatise on reconciliation, written so beautifully that it seems like poetry. By Cora Currier Reporter “The Dark Side: The Inside Story of How the War on Terror Turned Into a War on American Ideals,” by Jane Mayer If, as the saying goes, journalism is the first draft of history, Jane Mayer’s version of the Bush Administration’s response to the 9/11 attacks, published in 2008, needs remarkably little revision. Mayer is responsible for so much of what we know about black sites, torture and abuse, extraordinary renditions and the people who opposed and exposed those practices. This book is also the most gripping and thorough account I’ve read of the early legal and political machinations that defined Guantánamo; so many knots tied back then are still being untied. “Guantánamo Kid: The True Story of Mohammed El-Gharani,” by Jérôme Tubiana and Alexandre Franc Dana’s right — it’s hard to pick one from among the many searing memoirs written by former detainees. But I really like this graphic novel about Mohammed El-Gharani, one of the youngest boys held at Guantánamo, which he did in collaboration with a french writer-illustrator team. There are stories from inside Gitmo — like the time he managed to get hold of a phone and call former detainee Sami al-Hajj for a live broadcast on Al Jazeera — and also the devastating chronicle of his life after Gitmo, as he was shunted from country to country, stateless and under constant suspicion. As almost all the former detainees we spoke with told us, Guantánamo doesn’t end when you’re released. 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And it’s Lawrence Wright, so the book moves like a novel and you’re treated to sentences like this, about the 1950s oil boom in Saudi Arabia: “Desert princes who had lived all their lives on dates and camel’s milk were suddenly docking their yachts in Monaco.” “Country of My Skull: Guilt, Sorrow, and the Limits of Forgiveness in the New South Africa,” by Antjie Krog I never cry reading a book, but this one made me cry. (A couple of South African friends recommended it, when I whined to them that I was having a hard time with the Guantánamo series.) Krog is an Afrikaans poet and former radio journalist and this book is about covering the Truth and Reconciliation Commission while struggling to understand it herself. She’s all the time asking: What’s the goal, exactly? Is any of this going to work? Her writing made me think hard about the difference between truth and justice; which one is more important when you’re trying to repair your own history — and the utter lack of consensus about what those two words even mean. “Inside Gitmo: The True Story Behind the Myths of Guantánamo Bay,” by Lieutenant Colonel Gordon Cucullu This one’s a bit of an anti-choice because I have qualms about much of what’s written in here, both factually and spiritually. But I found myself referring to it again and again. The author is a retired army officer who visited Guantánamo in the mid-2000s so he could see for himself whether it was really as bad as the journalists were saying. Making this series, I often wondered not only what the military were doing, but what they thought they were doing. How did they see it, really? This breezy, straightforward book explains that perspective — the flip side of many of the titles on this list. By [Julie Snyder](~/AAAAAQA~/RgRoKms0P0S7aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubnl0aW1lcy5jb20vYnkvanVsaWUtc255ZGVyP2NhbXBhaWduX2lkPTI5MyZlbWM9ZWRpdF9zZV8yMDI0MDUxNyZpbnN0YW5jZV9pZD0xMjM3MzAmbmw9c2VyaWFsJnJlZ2lfaWQ9MjA4NDEwNTg5JnNlZ21lbnRfaWQ9MTY3MDE2JnRlPTEmdXNlcl9pZD0zYTUwN2ZmNWZmMzc1YmEzY2FlOTIxZDM1MzEzYjdjZFcDbnl0QgpmRTTmR2YfuDoTUht0cmlzdHJhbWJhbGR3aW44OEBnbWFpbC5jb21YBAAAAAM~) Editor “Guantánamo Voices: True Accounts From the World’s Most Infamous Prison,” edited by Sarah Mirk I got this book as a Christmas gift a few years ago and immediately upon reading it was both envious and inspired. Written by journalist Sarah Mirk and a talented team of graphic artists, the book is broken into 10 stories about 10 different people who have either worked at Guantánamo or been imprisoned there. It’s a graphic novel, but even though it’s meant to be looked at, it’s a lot like my favorite kinds of radio or podcast stories — it’s intimate, conversational and totally surprising. This book was very much a model for me as to how I wanted our series to sound. By [Jessica Weisberg](~/AAAAAQA~/RgRoKms0P0S_aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubnl0aW1lcy5jb20vYnkvamVzc2ljYS13ZWlzYmVyZz9jYW1wYWlnbl9pZD0yOTMmZW1jPWVkaXRfc2VfMjAyNDA1MTcmaW5zdGFuY2VfaWQ9MTIzNzMwJm5sPXNlcmlhbCZyZWdpX2lkPTIwODQxMDU4OSZzZWdtZW50X2lkPTE2NzAxNiZ0ZT0xJnVzZXJfaWQ9M2E1MDdmZjVmZjM3NWJhM2NhZTkyMWQzNTMxM2I3Y2RXA255dEIKZkU05kdmH7g6E1IbdHJpc3RyYW1iYWxkd2luODhAZ21haWwuY29tWAQAAAAD) Producer “One Long Night: A Global History of Concentration Camps,” by Andrea Pitzer The U.S. Military describes Guantánamo as a “detention facility”; critics call it a “gulag” or a “concentration camp.” I read Andrea Pitzer’s thoughtful, terrifying survey of concentration camps around the world hoping that it could answer a seemingly simple question: What’s the right word for describing Guantánamo? Is it a “concentration camp”? Pitzer believes it is. Her book describes how Guantánamo is both singular and historically all too familiar. “At the Mind’s Limits: Contemplations by a Survivor on Auschwitz and its Realities,” by Jean Améry Before our interview with Majid Khan, a friend recommended that I read Améry’s collection of essays about his imprisonment at Auschwitz. In particular, the essay “Torture.” It’s a hard essay to recommend, exactly, because it’s painful to read. It’s visceral not only because of the detailed descriptions of everything Améry endured, but because he writes with remarkable precision about what he was thinking and feeling during each brutal act. When a guard hits him for the first time — “the first blow,” he calls it — he writes that his “trust in the world breaks down.” It’s a haunting essay, and Améry’s presence of mind, especially considering the circumstances, took my breath away. “Witnesses of the Unseen: Seven Years in Guantánamo,” by Lakhdar Boumediene and Mustafa Ait Idir One more detainee memoir to highlight: This book was co-written by Lakhdar Boumediene and Mustafa Ait Idir, Algerians who were living in Bosnia when they were arrested. They trade off writing chapters. The two men are friends, but they’re different — Ait Idr is angrier, while Boumedienne tries to muster some optimism. (Boumediene is best known for winning a lawsuit against the Bush administration, Boumediene v. Bush, which determined that detainees had the right to file habeas corpus petitions in U.S. federal courts.) Their experiences overlap and diverge in interesting ways. 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