‘‘In my thirties, I had to suddenly describe myself as a childless woman"

The Independent’s arts and culture newsletter [The Independent](~/AAAHagA~/RgRm59ncP0SfaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5kZXBlbmRlbnQuY28udWsvP2xpZD1seG14anFndXhsb3gmdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWJyYXplJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1JbmR5QXJ0cyBOZXdzbGV0dGVyIDE2LTA5LTIzJnV0bV90ZXJtPUlORF9DdWx0dXJlX05ld3NsZXR0ZXJfQ0RQVwVzcGNldUIKZQDcVAVlY8j58VIbdHJpc3RyYW1iYWxkd2luOTBAZ21haWwuY29tWAQAAAMj) Saturday, September 16, 2023   ~/AAAHagA~/RgRm59ncP0SxaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5kZXBlbmRlbnQuY28udWsvYXJ0cy1lbnRlcnRhaW5tZW50P2xpZD1mdmpmeG11ejN3eXEmdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWJyYXplJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1JbmR5QXJ0cyBOZXdzbGV0dGVyIDE2LTA5LTIzJnV0bV90ZXJtPUlORF9DdWx0dXJlX05ld3NsZXR0ZXJfQ0RQVwVzcGNldUIKZQDcVAVlY8j58VIbdHJpc3RyYW1iYWxkd2luOTBAZ21haWwuY29tWAQAAAMj ~/AAAHagA~/RgRm59ncP0SxaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5kZXBlbmRlbnQuY28udWsvYXJ0cy1lbnRlcnRhaW5tZW50P2xpZD03OHB3cHl0NDl5NXQmdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWJyYXplJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1JbmR5QXJ0cyBOZXdzbGV0dGVyIDE2LTA5LTIzJnV0bV90ZXJtPUlORF9DdWx0dXJlX05ld3NsZXR0ZXJfQ0RQVwVzcGNldUIKZQDcVAVlY8j58VIbdHJpc3RyYW1iYWxkd2luOTBAZ21haWwuY29tWAQAAAMj Hello! This is Louis again, filling in for Jessie for the second week in a row. Sick of me? If not, keep reading, I'm sure I can make that happen. It's been a week, hasn't it? Don't know if everyone else feels that way. But me, I'm currently eyeing up the weekend like a dog eyeing up a bone. Or like Tom Hardy eyeing up a film where he gets to put on a silly voice. Intently, that is to say. Now, down to brass tacks. What's been going on in the world of culture this week? Lots of people round the office have been talking about the new reality dating series My Mum, Your Dad; Ellie Muir [spoke to the series' host, Davina McCall](~/AAAHagA~/RgRm59ncP0TtaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5kZXBlbmRlbnQuY28udWsvYXJ0cy1lbnRlcnRhaW5tZW50L3R2L2ZlYXR1cmVzL215LW11bS15b3VyLWRhZC1kYXZpbmEtbWNjYWxsLWl0di1iMjQwNzc2Ni5odG1sP2xpZD15ZDhmaThuMmEyZzkmdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWJyYXplJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1JbmR5QXJ0cyBOZXdzbGV0dGVyIDE2LTA5LTIzJnV0bV90ZXJtPUlORF9DdWx0dXJlX05ld3NsZXR0ZXJfQ0RQVwVzcGNldUIKZQDcVAVlY8j58VIbdHJpc3RyYW1iYWxkd2luOTBAZ21haWwuY29tWAQAAAMj). Personally I can't abide reality shows... with my keenly honed sense of cultural relevancy, I'm currently blitzing through a re-watch of The West Wing. Great stuff! ~/AAAHagA~/RgRm59ncP0TtaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5kZXBlbmRlbnQuY28udWsvYXJ0cy1lbnRlcnRhaW5tZW50L3R2L2ZlYXR1cmVzL215LW11bS15b3VyLWRhZC1kYXZpbmEtbWNjYWxsLWl0di1iMjQwNzc2Ni5odG1sP2xpZD1pZmI0MHRoOGoxbHAmdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWJyYXplJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1JbmR5QXJ0cyBOZXdzbGV0dGVyIDE2LTA5LTIzJnV0bV90ZXJtPUlORF9DdWx0dXJlX05ld3NsZXR0ZXJfQ0RQVwVzcGNldUIKZQDcVAVlY8j58VIbdHJpc3RyYW1iYWxkd2luOTBAZ21haWwuY29tWAQAAAMj The parents on 'My Mum, Your Dad' (ITV) What next? (As Jed Bartlett would say.) Actor Ed Larkin [spoke to Cathy Reay](~/AAAHagA~/RgRm59ncP0T6aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5kZXBlbmRlbnQuY28udWsvYXJ0cy1lbnRlcnRhaW5tZW50L3RoZWF0cmUtZGFuY2UvZmVhdHVyZXMvbGl0dGxlLWJpZy10aGluZ3MtbXVzaWNhbC1lZC1sYXJraW4tYjI0MDcyOTIuaHRtbD9saWQ9YjJxYWY0dHh6Y2dxJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX3NvdXJjZT1icmF6ZSZ1dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249SW5keUFydHMgTmV3c2xldHRlciAxNi0wOS0yMyZ1dG1fdGVybT1JTkRfQ3VsdHVyZV9OZXdzbGV0dGVyX0NEUFcFc3BjZXVCCmUA3FQFZWPI-fFSG3RyaXN0cmFtYmFsZHdpbjkwQGdtYWlsLmNvbVgEAAADIw~~) about becoming the first wheelchair user in 350 years to lead a West End musical - a really interesting piece. I wrote about Top Gear, specifically [why it needs to be scrapped](~/AAAHagA~/RgRm59ncP0T4aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5kZXBlbmRlbnQuY28udWsvYXJ0cy1lbnRlcnRhaW5tZW50L3R2L2ZlYXR1cmVzL3RvcC1nZWFyLWNhbmNlbGxlZC1mcmVkZGllLWZsaW50b2ZmLWluanVyaWVzLWIyNDEwNTEyLmh0bWw_bGlkPTdpMDJ5Y3dramNkbSZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9zb3VyY2U9YnJhemUmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPUluZHlBcnRzIE5ld3NsZXR0ZXIgMTYtMDktMjMmdXRtX3Rlcm09SU5EX0N1bHR1cmVfTmV3c2xldHRlcl9DRFBXBXNwY2V1QgplANxUBWVjyPnxUht0cmlzdHJhbWJhbGR3aW45MEBnbWFpbC5jb21YBAAAAyM~). Adam White interviewed the actor Jordan Firstman for [this brilliantly raunchy profile](~/AAAHagA~/RgRm59ncP0T7aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5kZXBlbmRlbnQuY28udWsvYXJ0cy1lbnRlcnRhaW5tZW50L2ZpbG1zL2ZlYXR1cmVzL2pvcmRhbi1maXJzdG1hbi1pbnRlcnZpZXctcm90dGluZy1pbi10aGUtc3VuLWIyNDEwNjY0Lmh0bWw_bGlkPTd0Z3RsOHlyMnE0ZCZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9zb3VyY2U9YnJhemUmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPUluZHlBcnRzIE5ld3NsZXR0ZXIgMTYtMDktMjMmdXRtX3Rlcm09SU5EX0N1bHR1cmVfTmV3c2xldHRlcl9DRFBXBXNwY2V1QgplANxUBWVjyPnxUht0cmlzdHJhbWJhbGR3aW45MEBnbWFpbC5jb21YBAAAAyM~). Michael Hogan [weighed in on the return of Strictly Come Dancing this Saturday](~/AAAHagA~/RgRm59ncP0TzaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5kZXBlbmRlbnQuY28udWsvYXJ0cy1lbnRlcnRhaW5tZW50L3R2L2ZlYXR1cmVzL3N0cmljdGx5LWNvbWUtZGFuY2luZy1jb250ZXN0YW50cy1vbGRlci1iMjQwOTM0OS5odG1sP2xpZD1idzM3dDIwcXRvdGUmdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWJyYXplJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1JbmR5QXJ0cyBOZXdzbGV0dGVyIDE2LTA5LTIzJnV0bV90ZXJtPUlORF9DdWx0dXJlX05ld3NsZXR0ZXJfQ0RQVwVzcGNldUIKZQDcVAVlY8j58VIbdHJpc3RyYW1iYWxkd2luOTBAZ21haWwuY29tWAQAAAMj). Oh yeah! I forgot Strictly's back! (See: reality TV ignorance.) Last couple of things: Helen Brown [reviewed the new album from Mitski](~/AAAHagA~/RgRm59ncP0T0aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5kZXBlbmRlbnQuY28udWsvYXJ0cy1lbnRlcnRhaW5tZW50L211c2ljL3Jldmlld3MvbWl0c2tpLXJldmlldy10aGUtbGFuZC1pcy1pbmhvc3BpdGFibGUtYjI0MTE0ODcuaHRtbD9saWQ9NGtoa2V1YWY5NTA4JnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX3NvdXJjZT1icmF6ZSZ1dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249SW5keUFydHMgTmV3c2xldHRlciAxNi0wOS0yMyZ1dG1fdGVybT1JTkRfQ3VsdHVyZV9OZXdzbGV0dGVyX0NEUFcFc3BjZXVCCmUA3FQFZWPI-fFSG3RyaXN0cmFtYmFsZHdpbjkwQGdtYWlsLmNvbVgEAAADIw~~), a release I am particularly excited to listen to. And Ellie Muir [talked with pop star Madison Beer](~/AAAHagA~/RgRm59ncP0T_aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5kZXBlbmRlbnQuY28udWsvYXJ0cy1lbnRlcnRhaW5tZW50L211c2ljL2ZlYXR1cmVzL21hZGlzb24tYmVlci1qdXN0aW4tYmVpYmVyLXNpbGVuY2UtYmV0d2Vlbi1zb25ncy1iMjQxMTI4My5odG1sP2xpZD1zcGNlYjBnYXRia2UmdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWJyYXplJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1JbmR5QXJ0cyBOZXdzbGV0dGVyIDE2LTA5LTIzJnV0bV90ZXJtPUlORF9DdWx0dXJlX05ld3NsZXR0ZXJfQ0RQVwVzcGNldUIKZQDcVAVlY8j58VIbdHJpc3RyYW1iYWxkd2luOTBAZ21haWwuY29tWAQAAAMj). A beer sounds good, now that you mention it. Ok, that's enough from me. If the good Lord spares us and the creeks don't rise, Jessie should be back with you next week. Have a lovely weekend! Louis [@LouisChilton](~/AAAHagA~/RgRm59ncP0SkaHR0cDovL3d3dy50d2l0dGVyLmNvbS9sb3Vpc2NoaWx0b24_bGlkPWdqejFubjk5a2Z6YSZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9zb3VyY2U9YnJhemUmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPUluZHlBcnRzIE5ld3NsZXR0ZXIgMTYtMDktMjMmdXRtX3Rlcm09SU5EX0N1bHR1cmVfTmV3c2xldHRlcl9DRFBXBXNwY2V1QgplANxUBWVjyPnxUht0cmlzdHJhbWJhbGR3aW45MEBnbWFpbC5jb21YBAAAAyM~) What to do this weekend Books | [Oh, Miriam! by Miriam Margolyes](~/AAAHagA~/RgRm59ncP0S3aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5kZXBlbmRlbnQuY28udWsvYXJ0cy1lbnRlcnRhaW5tZW50L2Jvb2tzP2xpZD1rNnF3MW4yczgzZmImdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWJyYXplJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1JbmR5QXJ0cyBOZXdzbGV0dGVyIDE2LTA5LTIzJnV0bV90ZXJtPUlORF9DdWx0dXJlX05ld3NsZXR0ZXJfQ0RQVwVzcGNldUIKZQDcVAVlY8j58VIbdHJpc3RyYW1iYWxkd2luOTBAZ21haWwuY29tWAQAAAMj) Throughout Oh Miriam!, Margolyes hides behind feisty gossip, outrageous opinions and flurries of thespian bitching, seasoned with f***s and c***s. This is the “Miriam” she’s nurtured to survive. There is, however, another self lurking within, the tale of a clever girl who went to Newnham College, Cambridge, got into Footlights, sat at the feet of FR Leavis, mastered the art of c***-sucking, and made her way in showbiz as a Dickens fan and connoisseur of the English language. [Read the full piece here](~/AAAHagA~/RgRm59ncP0TraHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5kZXBlbmRlbnQuY28udWsvYXJ0cy1lbnRlcnRhaW5tZW50L2Jvb2tzL2ZlYXR1cmVzL21pcmlhbS1tYXJnb2x5ZXMtbWVtb2lyLTIwMjMtYjI0MDY0ODMuaHRtbD9saWQ9azlvMjQxYmJsNW1xJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX3NvdXJjZT1icmF6ZSZ1dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249SW5keUFydHMgTmV3c2xldHRlciAxNi0wOS0yMyZ1dG1fdGVybT1JTkRfQ3VsdHVyZV9OZXdzbGV0dGVyX0NEUFcFc3BjZXVCCmUA3FQFZWPI-fFSG3RyaXN0cmFtYmFsZHdpbjkwQGdtYWlsLmNvbVgEAAADIw~~). Robert McCrum   TV | [My Mum, Your Dad](~/AAAHagA~/RgRm59ncP0S0aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5kZXBlbmRlbnQuY28udWsvYXJ0cy1lbnRlcnRhaW5tZW50L3R2P2xpZD0ycWF3ZmNkeWFvanMmdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWJyYXplJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1JbmR5QXJ0cyBOZXdzbGV0dGVyIDE2LTA5LTIzJnV0bV90ZXJtPUlORF9DdWx0dXJlX05ld3NsZXR0ZXJfQ0RQVwVzcGNldUIKZQDcVAVlY8j58VIbdHJpc3RyYW1iYWxkd2luOTBAZ21haWwuY29tWAQAAAMj) In ITV’s newest dating show, eight singletons – four men, four women – are thrown together in a luxe country house for a fortnight as the world looks on in judgment. Nothing unusual there, except that in My Mum, Your Dad each of the contestants are in their forties or fifties and are parents to adult children. Unbeknown to them, those children are holed up in a nearby house known as “the bunker” from where, in varying states of mortification, they get to witness their mums and dads on the pull. Fiona Sturges   Film | [El Conde](~/AAAHagA~/RgRm59ncP0S3aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5kZXBlbmRlbnQuY28udWsvYXJ0cy1lbnRlcnRhaW5tZW50L2ZpbG1zP2xpZD1pbTkxMXY3aGN5MHgmdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWJyYXplJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1JbmR5QXJ0cyBOZXdzbGV0dGVyIDE2LTA5LTIzJnV0bV90ZXJtPUlORF9DdWx0dXJlX05ld3NsZXR0ZXJfQ0RQVwVzcGNldUIKZQDcVAVlY8j58VIbdHJpc3RyYW1iYWxkd2luOTBAZ21haWwuY29tWAQAAAMj) El Conde, the latest from Pablo Larraín, best known for his portraits of history’s haunted women, Jackie (2016) and Spencer (2021), is a punchline delivered with the cadence of a howl. It’s a vampire story, in which the dictator Augusto Pinochet, who terrorised Larraín’s native Chile from 1973 to 1990, is cloaked, fanged and transformed into the habitual blood-guzzler of Bram Stoker’s imagination. Clarisse Loughrey | Chief film critic   Music | [The Land is Inhospitable and So Are We by Mitski](~/AAAHagA~/RgRm59ncP0S_aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5kZXBlbmRlbnQuY28udWsvYXJ0cy1lbnRlcnRhaW5tZW50L3RoZWF0cmUtZGFuY2U_bGlkPXh5ZG02aW1sbmdzOCZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9zb3VyY2U9YnJhemUmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPUluZHlBcnRzIE5ld3NsZXR0ZXIgMTYtMDktMjMmdXRtX3Rlcm09SU5EX0N1bHR1cmVfTmV3c2xldHRlcl9DRFBXBXNwY2V1QgplANxUBWVjyPnxUht0cmlzdHJhbWJhbGR3aW45MEBnbWFpbC5jb21YBAAAAyM~) “As I got older I learned I’m a drinker/ Sometimes a drink feels like family,” Mitski confides on the ragged opener, “Bug Like an Angel”. It’s a lo-fi start to an elegantly constructed album that swells and falls in a lovely arc. The song is based around a simply strummed acoustic guitar pattern; Mitksi’s voice swills in a low, cynical drawl as she dishes out blunt truths. “When I’m bent over/ Wishing it was over,” she says, trying to remember that “the wrath of the devil was also given him by God”. Her genius touch is to add a choir who offer that sense of communal consolation. Helen Brown | Chief albums critic   ~/AAAHagA~/RgRm59ncP0StaHR0cHM6Ly9pbmRlcGVuZGVudC5vbmVsaW5rLm1lL25vNXgvZDI1ZTc0Y2M_bGlkPXc5dmVscDA3eHptYiZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9zb3VyY2U9YnJhemUmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPUluZHlBcnRzIE5ld3NsZXR0ZXIgMTYtMDktMjMmdXRtX3Rlcm09SU5EX0N1bHR1cmVfTmV3c2xldHRlcl9DRFBXBXNwY2V1QgplANxUBWVjyPnxUht0cmlzdHJhbWJhbGR3aW45MEBnbWFpbC5jb21YBAAAAyM~ ~/AAAHagA~/RgRm59ncP0SsaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5kZXBlbmRlbnQuY28udWsvc3Vic2NyaWJlL2FwcD9saWQ9aTh3cXR1YW0yN3FmJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX3NvdXJjZT1icmF6ZSZ1dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249SW5keUFydHMgTmV3c2xldHRlciAxNi0wOS0yMyZ1dG1fdGVybT1JTkRfQ3VsdHVyZV9OZXdzbGV0dGVyX0NEUFcFc3BjZXVCCmUA3FQFZWPI-fFSG3RyaXN0cmFtYmFsZHdpbjkwQGdtYWlsLmNvbVgEAAADIw~~ [The Saturday Interview – Sara Pascoe](~/AAAHagA~/RgRm59ncP0TzaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5kZXBlbmRlbnQuY28udWsvYXJ0cy1lbnRlcnRhaW5tZW50L2NvbWVkeS9mZWF0dXJlcy9zYXJhaC1wYXNjb2UtaW50ZXJ2aWV3LWNvbWVkeS1tZXRvby1iMjQxMjI4NS5odG1sP2xpZD00MXM1dTl6Zjl4aG8mdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWJyYXplJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1JbmR5QXJ0cyBOZXdzbGV0dGVyIDE2LTA5LTIzJnV0bV90ZXJtPUlORF9DdWx0dXJlX05ld3NsZXR0ZXJfQ0RQVwVzcGNldUIKZQDcVAVlY8j58VIbdHJpc3RyYW1iYWxkd2luOTBAZ21haWwuY29tWAQAAAMj) ~/AAAHagA~/RgRm59ncP0TzaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5kZXBlbmRlbnQuY28udWsvYXJ0cy1lbnRlcnRhaW5tZW50L2NvbWVkeS9mZWF0dXJlcy9zYXJhaC1wYXNjb2UtaW50ZXJ2aWV3LWNvbWVkeS1tZXRvby1iMjQxMjI4NS5odG1sP2xpZD04c2l2ejlka2lqeGEmdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWJyYXplJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1JbmR5QXJ0cyBOZXdzbGV0dGVyIDE2LTA5LTIzJnV0bV90ZXJtPUlORF9DdWx0dXJlX05ld3NsZXR0ZXJfQ0RQVwVzcGNldUIKZQDcVAVlY8j58VIbdHJpc3RyYW1iYWxkd2luOTBAZ21haWwuY29tWAQAAAMj ‘Sarah Pascoe: ‘You’re supposed to be very, very grateful if IVF works’ (Rachel Sherlock) The stand-up star [talks to Jessie Thompson](~/AAAHagA~/RgRm59ncP0TzaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5kZXBlbmRlbnQuY28udWsvYXJ0cy1lbnRlcnRhaW5tZW50L2NvbWVkeS9mZWF0dXJlcy9zYXJhaC1wYXNjb2UtaW50ZXJ2aWV3LWNvbWVkeS1tZXRvby1iMjQxMjI4NS5odG1sP2xpZD12ZDV4dzRnd2dqM3kmdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWJyYXplJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1JbmR5QXJ0cyBOZXdzbGV0dGVyIDE2LTA5LTIzJnV0bV90ZXJtPUlORF9DdWx0dXJlX05ld3NsZXR0ZXJfQ0RQVwVzcGNldUIKZQDcVAVlY8j58VIbdHJpc3RyYW1iYWxkd2luOTBAZ21haWwuY29tWAQAAAMj) about her novel Weirdo, predators in the comedy industry and why cancel culture is funny. ~/AAAHagA~/RgRm59ncP0TzaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5kZXBlbmRlbnQuY28udWsvYXJ0cy1lbnRlcnRhaW5tZW50L2NvbWVkeS9mZWF0dXJlcy9zYXJhaC1wYXNjb2UtaW50ZXJ2aWV3LWNvbWVkeS1tZXRvby1iMjQxMjI4NS5odG1sP2xpZD0yYXRnODk3dmE5bnQmdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWJyYXplJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1JbmR5QXJ0cyBOZXdzbGV0dGVyIDE2LTA5LTIzJnV0bV90ZXJtPUlORF9DdWx0dXJlX05ld3NsZXR0ZXJfQ0RQVwVzcGNldUIKZQDcVAVlY8j58VIbdHJpc3RyYW1iYWxkd2luOTBAZ21haWwuY29tWAQAAAMj Pascoe at the Edinburgh Fringe (Sara) Read an extract from our Saturday Interview below… Pascoe’s first novel is as charmingly offbeat as you might hope: funny, sad, philosophical. She takes us into the mind of Sophie, whose depressing, lowly paid pub job is one day enlivened by a visit from an old crush, while her gripping interior monologue is occasionally interrupted by letters from debt collectors. “I wanted to examine the thoughts that we don’t say out loud,” the 42-year-old tells me. “Someone who was thinking things and then thinking ‘don’t say that, people will think you’re odd.” Sophie thinks things like: “I’m going to give up drinking and run marathons and volunteer at a food bank. I’m going to join a book group that reads Ulysses over and over again and discuss it and understand it more every time.” In conversation, Pascoe has a zen-like calmness that makes you slow down to her speed of talking. She approaches questions with openness and curiosity. Unsurprisingly, she gives the impression of having already thought about lots of these things very deeply. When I bring up the book’s excruciating, depressing sex scene between Sophie and her crush – who doesn’t own a duvet and insists he has no plans to sleep with her – Pascoe jumps in. “It’s horrible, isn’t it?” But was it fun to write, I wonder? “No,” she says, completely serious. She wanted her husband, Australian comedian Steen Raskopoulos, to read parts of the book and see if they were funny – but not this. Now, he tries “to organise it a bit more... whether it’s drawings or things from films, it means a lot. I am now a bit better at keeping it and archiving it a bit more. But at the beginning, I was more of a hoarder, a pack rat. I guess I never threw anything away. 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